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		<title>By: Morten Rand-Hendriksen</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-19168</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Rand-Hendriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points Jack. When I wrote this post I was worried I'd get a lot of flaming, but I'm pleased to see that people are a little more measured in their responses. 

My main beef is with how the platforms are perceived more than how they work. I've had it up to here (hand all the way up to the ceiling) with people who tell me that "if you're not using a Mac, you are not a professional" and the likes. That to me is a religious statement and not one of fact. 

Interestingly my apprentice uses a humongous macbook with VMWare to run Microsoft Expression Web for web design. It seems to be working quite well although the VMWare engine is far from perfect and she is suffering from some major glitching issues from time to time.

In the end it should come down to personal preference and not rediculous lies and nonsense marketing. If people chose platforms solely based on what they are going to use them for, I wouldn't have anything to say. I just get pissed when people start thinking that platform apartheid is acceptible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points Jack. When I wrote this post I was worried I&#8217;d get a lot of flaming, but I&#8217;m pleased to see that people are a little more measured in their responses. </p>
<p>My main beef is with how the platforms are perceived more than how they work. I&#8217;ve had it up to here (hand all the way up to the ceiling) with people who tell me that &#8220;if you&#8217;re not using a Mac, you are not a professional&#8221; and the likes. That to me is a religious statement and not one of fact. </p>
<p>Interestingly my apprentice uses a humongous macbook with VMWare to run Microsoft Expression Web for web design. It seems to be working quite well although the VMWare engine is far from perfect and she is suffering from some major glitching issues from time to time.</p>
<p>In the end it should come down to personal preference and not rediculous lies and nonsense marketing. If people chose platforms solely based on what they are going to use them for, I wouldn&#8217;t have anything to say. I just get pissed when people start thinking that platform apartheid is acceptible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Keller</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-19165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long-time Mac user I now sit at a desk with an intel iMac and an IBM Thinkpad to get my job done. As a web developer I do my cutups and comps on the Mac and .NET programming on the PC. This is my first time using Windows in around ten years so it's a learning curve, but Windows admittedly has come a long way in the past decade. Now, onto your post as you have my back-story. 

I have experienced a lot more freezing with the PC than than I have with the Mac, as far as stability in my situation the Mac wins (and no, I'm not saying that all Mac's win that battle). Security is a big one to me, in all my years of being a Mac user I've yet to get a single virus while my PC friends have gotten some pretty hefty ones here and there that made them reinstall their OS. With the Intel Mac's you can certainly use Windows if you want, even for gaming as that's not really a well tapped market for Mac software developers. However I am a firm believer in using dedicated hardware for everything, consoles for games and computers for work. 

Final summation, flame if you want but I'm just covering my personal experiences and not speaking for the Apple Fanboys out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long-time Mac user I now sit at a desk with an intel iMac and an IBM Thinkpad to get my job done. As a web developer I do my cutups and comps on the Mac and .NET programming on the PC. This is my first time using Windows in around ten years so it&#8217;s a learning curve, but Windows admittedly has come a long way in the past decade. Now, onto your post as you have my back-story. </p>
<p>I have experienced a lot more freezing with the PC than than I have with the Mac, as far as stability in my situation the Mac wins (and no, I&#8217;m not saying that all Mac&#8217;s win that battle). Security is a big one to me, in all my years of being a Mac user I&#8217;ve yet to get a single virus while my PC friends have gotten some pretty hefty ones here and there that made them reinstall their OS. With the Intel Mac&#8217;s you can certainly use Windows if you want, even for gaming as that&#8217;s not really a well tapped market for Mac software developers. However I am a firm believer in using dedicated hardware for everything, consoles for games and computers for work. </p>
<p>Final summation, flame if you want but I&#8217;m just covering my personal experiences and not speaking for the Apple Fanboys out there.</p>
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		<title>By: marketmama</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-15226</link>
		<dc:creator>marketmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don't understand is that Mac, at least nowadays, doesn't use their own hardware for most parts..they use, Intel chips, Nvidia graphics and indigenous RAMs...

So if it boils down to the OS, then the difference lies finally on two items: 1.usage and 2. taste.

1. In terms of usage, for any traditional and even video-editing work Mac is yet to rule its roost as the definitive machine. Still, Logic pro (though stupidly expensive) is a better audio-editing software than many...That however, points to the software being good, not that the OS is better..
2. The Macs 'look' cooler, way cooler than many pcs..that however shouldn't be the defninig criteria to buy them...if only, a lot of people would understand that....but then, many luxury brands would be out of business..

I never had any problems with Vista..apart from the one time when my friend couldnt log in to the system for some reason...it was bizzare...

In terms of bugs...its pretty true that it depends on what you open and download...Also, the fact that all virues are written with PCs in mind cant hold true for long...Macs will feel the pressure...

I would say to have both (if you can afford) would be the best thing...:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is that Mac, at least nowadays, doesn&#8217;t use their own hardware for most parts..they use, Intel chips, Nvidia graphics and indigenous RAMs&#8230;</p>
<p>So if it boils down to the OS, then the difference lies finally on two items: 1.usage and 2. taste.</p>
<p>1. In terms of usage, for any traditional and even video-editing work Mac is yet to rule its roost as the definitive machine. Still, Logic pro (though stupidly expensive) is a better audio-editing software than many&#8230;That however, points to the software being good, not that the OS is better..<br />
2. The Macs &#8216;look&#8217; cooler, way cooler than many pcs..that however shouldn&#8217;t be the defninig criteria to buy them&#8230;if only, a lot of people would understand that&#8230;.but then, many luxury brands would be out of business..</p>
<p>I never had any problems with Vista..apart from the one time when my friend couldnt log in to the system for some reason&#8230;it was bizzare&#8230;</p>
<p>In terms of bugs&#8230;its pretty true that it depends on what you open and download&#8230;Also, the fact that all virues are written with PCs in mind cant hold true for long&#8230;Macs will feel the pressure&#8230;</p>
<p>I would say to have both (if you can afford) would be the best thing&#8230;:D</p>
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		<title>By: Jay D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know - i've been a devout mac user for the past 10 years... but I'm going to a pc. Reason being, macs are still so bloody expensive (plus gaming is non-existant). My current job I've been using XP at work, and its never crashed since once (i'm using most of the cs2 creative suite open all the time)...

I can get a kick ass rig for 1200 - but have to pay 2100 (cdn) for a mid-range Imac? Screw that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know - i&#8217;ve been a devout mac user for the past 10 years&#8230; but I&#8217;m going to a pc. Reason being, macs are still so bloody expensive (plus gaming is non-existant). My current job I&#8217;ve been using XP at work, and its never crashed since once (i&#8217;m using most of the cs2 creative suite open all the time)&#8230;</p>
<p>I can get a kick ass rig for 1200 - but have to pay 2100 (cdn) for a mid-range Imac? Screw that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: karel</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-11377</link>
		<dc:creator>karel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I have never had a single virus on a Mac, never needed anti virus&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Don't you think most viruses are written for Windows users?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I have never had a single virus on a Mac, never needed anti virus</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think most viruses are written for Windows users?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebeh</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-11163</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked up mac vs. pc on google, trying to find something impartial, and after 2 pages this was the first thing I found. I have always thought of mac users as "The sheltered rich kid", their Parents "Apple" feed them bullshit about the real world, and they live happily on it, while also spending a fortune on computers. Not to mention they aren't allowed to chose which programs they use for themselves.

I know this is a very PC sided statement, but I swear you can only make fun of new OS bugs that are fixed for vista and poor installation that doesn't happen if you read the damned text. Apple is beating a dead horse on the vista front.

But I have to say, the time machine commercial made me laugh, I seriously wonder if they even have a PC in the damned building, system restore ftw?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked up mac vs. pc on google, trying to find something impartial, and after 2 pages this was the first thing I found. I have always thought of mac users as &#8220;The sheltered rich kid&#8221;, their Parents &#8220;Apple&#8221; feed them bullshit about the real world, and they live happily on it, while also spending a fortune on computers. Not to mention they aren&#8217;t allowed to chose which programs they use for themselves.</p>
<p>I know this is a very PC sided statement, but I swear you can only make fun of new OS bugs that are fixed for vista and poor installation that doesn&#8217;t happen if you read the damned text. Apple is beating a dead horse on the vista front.</p>
<p>But I have to say, the time machine commercial made me laugh, I seriously wonder if they even have a PC in the damned building, system restore ftw?</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Rand-Hendriksen</title>
		<link>http://blog.pinkandyellow.com/vista/mac-vs-pc-let-the-flame-wars-begin-20080710/#comment-10944</link>
		<dc:creator>Morten Rand-Hendriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Goonergerry: 
I love it when people call me "Microsoft Fanboy" - nothing could be further from the truth. I'm Linux all the way but have been forced into the world of MS because software vendors in general don't make software for my preferred platform.

In spite of what you may believe, my comparisons that you so respectuflly refer to as "total crap" are in fact entirely based on experience and 100% accurate. To this date the only problems we have with our multiple PCs has been hardware related (as in busted SATA cables, fried processors etc). The only real issue we had with Vista was that Adobe in their infinite wisdom refused to publish updates for Premiere Pro CS2 for Vista which can hardly be blamed on Microsoft. 

As for viruses, there are really only two ways of getting them these days: 1. connect your computer directly to the web without a go-between like a router or 2. download and install the virus yourself (i.e. open an executable file from an email etc). The first one can be fixed by spending $15 on a router (that goes for Mac users too) and the seccond one... well, if you're indiscriminately opening executables from unknown sources you really need a refresher on the issue of information safety.

My point which you seem to have missed is that Mac users tend to have a dogmatic and religious view of their chosen platform and often see themselves as supperior to the rest of us simply because of that. Which would have been OK if there was any truth to their claims. But in reality the difference between Mac and PC is dismal at best. The rest is just advertising hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Goonergerry:<br />
I love it when people call me &#8220;Microsoft Fanboy&#8221; - nothing could be further from the truth. I&#8217;m Linux all the way but have been forced into the world of MS because software vendors in general don&#8217;t make software for my preferred platform.</p>
<p>In spite of what you may believe, my comparisons that you so respectuflly refer to as &#8220;total crap&#8221; are in fact entirely based on experience and 100% accurate. To this date the only problems we have with our multiple PCs has been hardware related (as in busted SATA cables, fried processors etc). The only real issue we had with Vista was that Adobe in their infinite wisdom refused to publish updates for Premiere Pro CS2 for Vista which can hardly be blamed on Microsoft. </p>
<p>As for viruses, there are really only two ways of getting them these days: 1. connect your computer directly to the web without a go-between like a router or 2. download and install the virus yourself (i.e. open an executable file from an email etc). The first one can be fixed by spending $15 on a router (that goes for Mac users too) and the seccond one&#8230; well, if you&#8217;re indiscriminately opening executables from unknown sources you really need a refresher on the issue of information safety.</p>
<p>My point which you seem to have missed is that Mac users tend to have a dogmatic and religious view of their chosen platform and often see themselves as supperior to the rest of us simply because of that. Which would have been OK if there was any truth to their claims. But in reality the difference between Mac and PC is dismal at best. The rest is just advertising hype.</p>
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		<title>By: Goonergerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goonergerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although there is more than a grain of truth in some of this- the majority of your comparison between Mac and PC is completely wrong- total crap. I do graphic design and video editing and run many Macs and PCs and have done for 5 years+- I have never had a single virus on a Mac, never needed anti virus, never had an error message. Sorry to disappoint you Microsoft fan boy but most of the time Macs do work- have more processing power available and I have found them to be significantly more stable. Vista is a disaster, is unreliable- uses too much power- is dreadfully buggy and businesses just do not have the time to waste fixing never ending compatibility problems.  Macs are not infallible - but the operating system is quicker and more stable in everything it does-  The software is a different story altogether and you make some valid points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although there is more than a grain of truth in some of this- the majority of your comparison between Mac and PC is completely wrong- total crap. I do graphic design and video editing and run many Macs and PCs and have done for 5 years+- I have never had a single virus on a Mac, never needed anti virus, never had an error message. Sorry to disappoint you Microsoft fan boy but most of the time Macs do work- have more processing power available and I have found them to be significantly more stable. Vista is a disaster, is unreliable- uses too much power- is dreadfully buggy and businesses just do not have the time to waste fixing never ending compatibility problems.  Macs are not infallible - but the operating system is quicker and more stable in everything it does-  The software is a different story altogether and you make some valid points.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Fiorito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Fiorito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well worded!  I've faced the same battle on a semi-regular basis and you've hit the nail on the head, especially in regards to Vista and compatiblity, it's the VENDORS that need to make stable drivers... but, this is a Microsoft Bashing World we live in and the Mac user is breed on their own.  Mac's were definintely the choice, but as you've very plainly stated.. that was then, this is now.... Sorry Mac heads.. get with the times.  While MS/Vista/XP have their flaws, so do Mac's, nothings perfect.

Keep up the great work Morten... you deserve full props for this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well worded!  I&#8217;ve faced the same battle on a semi-regular basis and you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head, especially in regards to Vista and compatiblity, it&#8217;s the VENDORS that need to make stable drivers&#8230; but, this is a Microsoft Bashing World we live in and the Mac user is breed on their own.  Mac&#8217;s were definintely the choice, but as you&#8217;ve very plainly stated.. that was then, this is now&#8230;. Sorry Mac heads.. get with the times.  While MS/Vista/XP have their flaws, so do Mac&#8217;s, nothings perfect.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work Morten&#8230; you deserve full props for this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Morten Rand-Hendriksen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morten Rand-Hendriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately in my line of work I have to use one of the standard platforms: WINE just doesn't cut it when you work with audio and video editing. Even so Linux is making incredible strides and I can see a time in the not so distant future when main stream software manufacturers like Adobe start selling their applications with Linux compatibility as well. If that happened there would finally be true competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately in my line of work I have to use one of the standard platforms: WINE just doesn&#8217;t cut it when you work with audio and video editing. Even so Linux is making incredible strides and I can see a time in the not so distant future when main stream software manufacturers like Adobe start selling their applications with Linux compatibility as well. If that happened there would finally be true competition.</p>
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